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 Post subject: Re: The thoughts of a white person
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:19 am 
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ollan xolatl wrote:
good grief a white person started this thread concerning racism

everybody blah blah about how it should be handled.

then up pops a accusation from a person that had major surgery.

give it a rest people, i have a hard time believing a professional medical

staff would even think along those lines.

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Hi Whitewind,

Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention, and thank you so much, Ayrmetes, for posting the link to the article. There are absolutely no excuses for this horror! There is no question about the validity of what the Lakota man and his witnesses say happened. The evidence is horrifically clear. I have no words to say how I feel about the medical staff at this so-called hospital. Actually, I do. But Ollan would most likely delete my message as it would be filled with lots of expletives. I can only say I strongly hope that medical staff gets what's coming to it. I also send love and blessings to this Lakota man and his family.

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Anyone hear about the Vern Traversie case? An elder that goes to the hospital in South Dakota and has K's sliced into his chest & stomach area.


Well Ollan, I have been following the case of Vern Traversie for months and believe it did happen....maybe you should do a little research on it!! Racism exists....don't tell me Ollan you live in a bubble and are unaware of the outside world.


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 Post subject: Re: The thoughts of a white person
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hmmmmm

guess we disagree on the surgicall staff.

on a personal note i have been to rapid city on several occasions

and yes racism(hatred of others) does exist

on both sides there

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Well Ollan, I have been following the case of Vern Traversie for months and believe it did happen....maybe you should do a little research on it!! Racism exists....don't tell me Ollan you live in a bubble and are unaware of the outside world.


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 Post subject: Re: The thoughts of a white person
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It never hurts to have disagreements with others, as we all see things differently! As long as we show each other respect and not try to push what we believe to be true onto others that causes disrespect!


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 Post Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:04 pm 
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whitewind wrote:
It never hurts to have disagreements with others, as we all see things differently! As long as we show each other respect and not try to push what we believe to be true onto others that causes disrespect!


Most normal people would understand that, but then there's the ones serving other questionable interests. I've read that one's same parroted argument somewhere else. It's not only pushing, it's trying to let you who is in charge. :lol:

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whitewind wrote:
It never hurts to have disagreements with others, as we all see things differently! As long as we show each other respect and not try to push what we believe to be true onto others that causes disrespect!


Most normal people would understand that, but then there's the ones serving other questionable interests. I've read that one's same parroted argument somewhere else. It's not only pushing, it's trying to let you who is in charge. :lol:


I think I'll get it a few more days!


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ollan xolatl wrote:
good grief a white person started this thread concerning racism

everybody blah blah about how it should be handled.

then up pops a accusation from a person that had major surgery.

give it a rest people, i have a hard time believing a professional medical

staff would even think along those lines.



I know it's an old thread, and whilst I don't really want to stir up anything, the story coming from the Daily Mail online site raised an eyebrow here. The Daily Mail is an English newspaper and whilst they're not the National Enquirer I'm disinclined to view them as reliable. They've printed some pretty unpleasant stuff over the years and tend to sensationalise a lot.

Just my take on it there.

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 Post Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:58 pm 
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War Arrow wrote:
ollan xolatl wrote:
good grief a white person started this thread concerning racism

everybody blah blah about how it should be handled.

then up pops a accusation from a person that had major surgery.

give it a rest people, i have a hard time believing a professional medical

staff would even think along those lines.



I know it's an old thread, and whilst I don't really want to stir up anything, the story coming from the Daily Mail online site raised an eyebrow here. The Daily Mail is an English newspaper and whilst they're not the National Enquirer I'm disinclined to view them as reliable. They've printed some pretty unpleasant stuff over the years and tend to sensationalise a lot.

Just my take on it there.


War Arrow, Are you referring to the Vern Traversie case?


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 Post subject: Re: The thoughts of a white person
 Post Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:34 pm 
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Hi Ollan,

I understand how you feel about medical staff. I want to point out, however, that I have seen some unbelievable acts done by professional medical personnel. My mother was a medical technologist for years with a masters in medical technology. She gave up going to medical school. I was a vet tech. Now you would think veternarians would be compassionate people, and I would say most of them are. But there are ones I have seen who have done some very cruel acts. I have also known doctors and nurses to have done some cruel things a few of which I was at the receiving end. It is an unfortunate fact that not all medical personnel have our best interests at heart. They are thinking more about the deities of money. Having said that, I am blessed to have a wonderful GP and a wonderful Otolaryngologist who listen to me and answer my questions. They don't let pride get in the way when they don't know the answer. They're honest and admit it.

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 Post subject: Re: The thoughts of a white person
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On health "professionals" . . . most I have met are just that - PROFESSIONAL.

Then there are others like a in a certain heart hospital in Little Rock, Arkansas. They do what is commonly referred to as "milking medicaid/medicare".

So, you're sick but getting better? Let's have a look see how much more I can get from medicare/medicaid. Oh, if your kidneys stop producing, I can get paid for another two weeks care and lodging. Ok, here is DOUBLE your potassium dose. Don't argue, we know what's best for you.

That is how my mother-in-law died. They overestimated how much it would take to cause a temporary kidney failure and completely shut her kidneys down. She died a horrible death because they waited too long to begin dialysis. She was swollen up like a balloon.

She received her transfer to another hospital on Sunday which stated that she would be transferred out of the heart hospital on Wednesday. The nurse overdosed her on Monday morning and by Wednesday (the day she was to be transferred out) she was dead.

This woman survived a botched "pacemaker" implant on Tuesday, had a heart attack on Thursday, bypass on Monday. Came home two days later, but the wires he used to close her breastbone were contaminated and she got the flesh eating bacteria. She survived that and was about to be transferred out so that a specialist could treat her wound while it healed. They couldn't stand it that they weren't going to get that medicare/medicaid money and they literally killed her.

Real professionals.

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you ever wonder why Lawyers "practice" Law or doctors "practice" medicare? you don't "practice" Truck driving , nor do you "practice" being a commercial Pilot. cause i am sure if someone ever stated "I am just practice flying a commercial plane" , i dont think much people would get on the plane.

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 Post subject: Re: The thoughts of a white person
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i kind of said my piece you guys

but is nice to read your thoughts

thanks

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Hi Smee,

I am so sorry about your mother. My heart goes out to you and your family.

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Thank you.

Was just trying to make the point that:

NOT ALL MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS BEHAVE PROFESSIONALLY.

Each one must be judged on his/her behavior. We cannot give them a pass just because we have never met a greedy or evil one ourselves.

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Ayrmetes93 wrote:
whitewind wrote:
Anyone hear about the Vern Traversie case? An elder that goes to the hospital in South Dakota and has K's sliced into his chest & stomach area.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... pital.html


Even though this link is from the uk....this has been in the news in the us also! I posted a recent link about this case from the us!
War Arrow...maybe you should also do a little research about this case! This is not a made-up case.


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whitewind wrote:
Ayrmetes93 wrote:
whitewind wrote:
Anyone hear about the Vern Traversie case? An elder that goes to the hospital in South Dakota and has K's sliced into his chest & stomach area.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... pital.html


Even though this link is from the uk....this has been in the news in the us also! I posted a recent link about this case from the us!
War Arrow...maybe you should also do a little research about this case! This is not a made-up case.


No problem. Responded in the other thread. :D

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