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Author:  ollan xolatl [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:10 pm ]
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worth reading.....


[¡Ask a Mexican!] And why don't more Mexicans identify as Indian?
By Gustavo Arellano Thursday, Sep 4 2014

DEAR MEXICAN: I'm a health researcher, and at my job, I work with large data sets, including those on births in California. Approximately half of the births in California are to mothers who have self-identified their race as "white" and their ethnicity as "Hispanic." As we know, the majority of Latinos in California have ancestry from Mexico. I am wondering why so few Latinos identify their race as either Native American or multiracial? We know from genetic studies that many Mexicans have a significant proportion of Native American ancestry. For example, see Fejerman et al. (Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers and Prevention 2010; 19(4): 1074-82), who found that the proportions of Native American ancestry among Mexican women averaged 54 precent among those from Monterrey and 69 percent among persons from Mexico City.

An Angelena

DEAR LOS ANGELES-NATIVE GABACHA: It's no real surprise Mexis would either not mark any other box to denote their raza, or just mark "white." As you most likely know, no one in Mexico wants to identify as Indian because they're at the bottom of the race chain. That stigma still carries over to the United States: Figures from the 2010 U.S. Census showed that about 175,000 people identified as "Mexican-American Indian," which would make this group the fourth-largest Native American tribe in the United Unidos (only Cherokee, Choctaw and Navajo would be bigger). But consider that in "Indigenous Oaxacan Communities in California: An Overview," a 2007 paper by Lisa Kresge for the California Institute for Rural Studies, the estimated population for this group alone was about 350,000—and that's just for the Golden State and doesn't include the many Purépecha, Yaquis, Otomis, Mayas, Totonacs and many other Mexican indigenous groups in Cali. Until there's an incentive for Mexicans to identify as Indian (using an Aztec name to get into the chonis of a Chicanos Studies chica doesn't count . . . yet), you're not going to find many Mexicans identify as indio—sad, but verdad.

Author:  Smee [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 5:45 pm ]
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I can only speak to the folks I meet here who are from Mexico ... what I glean from our conversations:

They identify more with Cortez than Montezuma. How bout you?

Author:  ollan xolatl [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:33 pm ]
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Smee wrote:
I can only speak to the folks I meet here who are from Mexico ... what I glean from our conversations:

They identify more with Cortez than Montezuma. How bout you?


neither

but i do identify with white as a state of consciousness

Author:  Smee [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:30 pm ]
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Not sure what that statement means.

Perhaps you should clarify and be less obscure.

Author:  ollan xolatl [ Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:53 pm ]
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in most of its natural settings white is a peaceful color

has nothing to do with a person or people


Smee wrote:
Not sure what that statement means.

Perhaps you should clarify and be less obscure.

Author:  Smee [ Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:02 pm ]
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ollan xolatl wrote:
in most of its natural settings white is a peaceful color

has nothing to do with a person or people


My statement had no ulterior motive or hidden meaning. I was just curious. In some societies white is the color of mourning while in others it is associated with joy.

Author:  ollan xolatl [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:41 pm ]
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aren't you glad we are not clones

Author:  Smee [ Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:50 am ]
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Yes, I would hate to think that the world had to put up with two of me.

Author:  South Wind [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:10 pm ]
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There's a marginal difference in natives stateside and natives south of the boarder.

In my opinion, stateside natives are privileged where as south of the boarder they are not.

There's a common misconception that "native American" means continental US and Canada only. This type of mentality usually leads to condiscending attitudes from US natives towards natives south of the boarder.

I identify as native. I know my roots. I am not in denial.

Author:  reasonmclucus [ Thu May 21, 2015 10:37 pm ]
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Mexico and the Mexican people have a radically different history from the peoples who lived north of the Rio Grande at the time of the European invasion of the Western Hemisphere. Mexico and central America had advanced civilizations comparable to those of the Middle East prior to the establishment of the Roman empire. At that time the other Europeans had cultures comparable to the peoples of the areas that became the United States and Canada.

When the Spanish arrived in Mexico they conquered the Aztec Empire and began ruling its population. The Spanish blended in with the people of Mexico and eventually this blended people declared and won its independence the same way the United States did.

The English took a different approach. They pushed the people of the future United States out of the way the same way they did the people of Ireland. The English moved much of the Irish population to North American centuries before Gen. Jackson moved the Cherokee to Oklahoma.

Mexicans may have more DNA in common with the original peoples of the United States and Canada than they do with Europeans, but that is where the similarity ends. Mexicans are part of a nation that has fought and survived wars with the United States
and France.

Author:  Petester [ Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:36 pm ]
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They probably will now if it could help them stay in the US.

Im only speaking from my experience , probably just like all of the other races in the US they look down on US Natives because of what we allow the white people to do to us.

I've met some Mexicans among others that are ashamed of being part n

Author:  Petester [ Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:44 pm ]
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Sorry im on a phone so my post got cut off I guess,what the white people did isn't the only reason that people are ashamed of there native also I guess that we don't teach or children necessary values like not stealing,respecting people and themselves,I just moved to the liwer 48 from Ak. And I was shocked that everywhere I went people thought that I was stealing from them.

Also shocked at the suicide rate.

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